"Flight 93" Makes Up Key Details

Most interesting is the fact that the movie-makers decided the passengers killed two hijackers, and also suggests that the pilots were killed by the hijackers -- when in reality, this simply is not known (and probably never happened either).

Hunt the Boeing: Shanksville Edition

A classic.

Flight 93 Crash-- Why Were the Tops of the Trees Burned But Not the Ground?

See here.

Seems like the NEW flight 93 evidence raises as many questions as the OLD.

Will Bunch Questions the Air Defense Response

and other things as well about flight 93.

Good for him:

On 9/11, where was NORAD, the jet fighter squadron tasked with defending America's skies?

For four-and-and-a-half years, there has been contradictory evidence whether Flight 93 -- the fourth hijacked plane, which crashed in a field in western Pennsylvania -- was intercepted by military jets or not. A number of Shanksville residents saw a white jet nearby that was military in nature. But the Pentagon's story has been that the doomed jetliner was never intercepted -- even though Dick Cheney in the White House situation room was ordering exactly that.

Now, the 31-minute cockpit tape seems to back up the official version. The tapes will not be played out loud for the general public -- that's standard procedure -- but the transcript reveals no comments by the hijackers that explicitly mention other planes.

Some of the comments and actions still seem ambiguous -- at 10:00:09, when a hijacker says in Arabic, "When they all come, we finish it off," they is presumed to mean the passengers and probably does -- but could also mean jet fighters.

Also interesting is this hijacker comment at 9:53:12: "Let him look through the window." The standard procedure for NORAD in intercepting a hijacked jetliner would be to circle to cockpit and visually ID who was flying the plane. On the other hand, the NORAD pilot would also try to contact the hijacker pilots by radio -- and the tape seems to give no indication that happened (assuming, of course, the cockpit was even picking up radio transmissions.)

The problem for the Bush administration on Flight 93 has been the ultimate lying-or-incompetence situation. Today, they did what should have been done four years ago, and played the tape -- insisting that, "See, we were never lying." Fine -- we won't contest that, for now.

So why were you so incompetent?

At 9:39 that morning, when the Cleveland ATC confirmed that there was a bomb or a hijacking on Flight 93, FAA or NORAD officials had known of hijackings for at least one hour and 14 minutes, according to researcher Paul Thompson's excellent timeline. Both World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon had been struck, and jet fighters capable of flying nearly 200 miles in just 10 minutes had been scrambled.

NORAD's failure to confront Flight 93 defies belief, and the cockpit recording only amplifies that. Nor has the government ever fully explained why intercept procedures that worked dozen of times before 9/11 failed the one time that it really mattered.

There are a lot of questions that we'd hoped the release of the cockpit tape would answer -- but most are still a mystery.

-- Did the heroic passengers reach the cockpit, or didn't they?

-- Did the hijackers murder the two pilots, or were they kept alive for possible use later in the flight?

-- Why would the al-Qaeda pilots crash the plane on purpose rather than fight the passengers to the death -- seeing as they were already on a suicide mission?

-- Why does the tape end at 10:03:09, when the world's best "forensic seismologist" told us in 2002 that he was 100 percent certain the jet crashed at 10:06.

And those are just a few big ones -- there are many others.

Meanwhile, we remain dismayed at the hypnotic trance that continue to hover other both the media and -- hard as it is to believe -- the blogosphere when it comes to 9/11. Think about it this way -- there is "the real world" and then there is "9/11 world."

In the "real world," the Bush administration lies constantly, about uranium from Niger, mushroom clouds in Iraq, or mobile WMD labs that are really "sand toilets." But in "9/11 world," those very same people in the White House have never told a lie, and never been challenged. Unfortunately, "9/11 world" continued to trump the "real world" during the Iraq war run-up of 2002-2003.

Likewise, for the media, "9/11 world" is a place where facts don't matter. Example? This morning, CNN's Kelli Arena said that a comment on the tape, "Roll it," was related to the famous remarks by passenger Todd Beamer. In fact, Beamer had been speaking on an in-plane telephone when he said, "Let's roll." "Roll it" was likely a failed attempt by the passenger to break into the cockpit with a food cart.

And the brave blogosphere, we looked tonight for commentary on this important event, and found almost none. What are you people so afraid of.

Maybe someday, we can look at the events of 9/11 with the same jaundiced eye that we view the rest of the Bush administration, from Iraq to Katrina. Maybe that tipping point came today. We hope so.

Highly Suspicious Wreckage

Fairly pristine grass/foliage underneath the piece. You would think that if there were enough fire/heat to strip every bit of insulation and facing and windows and their seals, there would be enough residual heat to brown the grass/foliage where this fragment landed.

Cockpit Transcript Released!!!

Link here.

The following is a transcript of the cockpit voice recorder aboard United Airlines Flight 93. All times are in EDT on Sept. 11, 2001. Text in parentheses was translated from Arabic. ``Unintelligible'' indicates that the tape couldn't be transcribed.

09:31:57 _ Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.

09:32:09 _ Er, uh ... Calling Cleveland center ... You're unreadable. Say again slowly.

09:32:10 _ Don't move. Shut up.

09:32:13 _ Come on, come.

09:32:16 _ Shut up.

09:32:17 _ Don't move.

09:32:18 _ Stop.

09:32:34 _ Sit, sit, sit down.

09:32:39 _ Sit down.

09:32:41 _ Unintelligible ... (the brother.)

09:32:54 _ Stop.

09:33:09 _ No more. Sit down.

09:33:10 _ (That's it, that's it, that's it), down, down.

09:33:14 _ Shut up.

09:33:20 _ Unintelligible

09:33:20 _ We just, we didn't get it clear ... Is that United 93 calling?

09:33:30 _ (Jassim.)

09:33:34 _ (In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.)

09:33:41 _ Unintelligible.

09:33:43 _ Finish, no more. No more.

09:33:49 _ No. No, no, no, no.

09:33:53 _ No, no, no, no.

09:34:00 _ Go ahead, lie down. Lie down. Down, down, down.

09:34:06 _ (There is someone ... Huh?)

09:34:12 _ Down, down, down. Sit down. Come on, sit down. No, no, no, no, no. No.

09:34:16 _ Down, down, down.

09:34:21 _ Down.

09:34:25 _ No more.

09:34:26 _ No more. Down.

09:34:27 _ Please, please, please ...

09:34:28 _ Down.

09:34:29 _ Please, please, don't hurt me ...

09:34:30 _ Down. No more.

09:34:31 _ Oh God.

09:34:32 _ Down, down, down.

09:34:33 _ Sit down.

09:34:34 _ Shut up.

09:34:42 _ No more.

09:34:46 _ (This?)

09:34:47 _ Yes.

09:34:47 _ Unintelligible.

09:34:57 _ (One moment, one moment.)

09:34:59 _ Unintelligible.

09:35:03 _ No more.

09:35:06 _ Down, down, down, down.

09:35:09 _ No, no, no, no, no, no...

09:35:10 _ Unintelligible.

09:35:15 _ Sit down, sit down, sit down.

09:35:17 _ Down.

09:35:18 _ (What's this?)

09:35:19 _ Sit down. Sit down. You know, sit down.

09:35:24 _ No, no, no.

09:35:30 _ Down, down, down, down.

09:35:32 _ Are you talking to me?

09:35:33 _ No, no, no. Unintelligible.

09:35:35 _ Down in the airport.

09:35:39 _ Down, down.

09:35:40 _ I don't want to die.

09:35:41 _ No, no. Down, down.

09:35:42 _ I don't want to die. I don't want to die.

09:35:44 _ No, no. Down, down, down, down, down, down.

09:35:47 _ No, no, please.

09:35:57 _ No.

09:37:06 _ (That's it. Go back.)

09:37:06 _ (That's it.) Sit down.

09:37:36 _(Everthing is fine. I finished.)

09:38:36 _ (Yes.)

09:39:11 _ Ah. Here's the captain. I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet.

09:39:21 _ OK. That's 93 calling?

09:39:24 _ (One moment.)

09:39:34 _ United 93. I understand you have a bomb on board. Go ahead.

09:39:42 _ And center exec jet nine fifty-six. That was the transmission.

09:39:47 _ OK. Ah. Who called Cleveland?

09:39:52 _ Executive jet nine fifty-six, did you understand that transmission?

09:39:56 _ Affirmative. He said that there was a bomb on board.

09:39:58 _ That was all you got out of it also?

09:40:01 _ Affirmative.

09:40:03 _ Roger.

09:40:03 _ United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:14 _United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:17 _ Ahhh.

09:40:52 _ (This green knob?)

09:40:54 _ (Yes, that's the one.)

09:41:05 _ United 93, do you hear the Cleveland center?

09:41:14 _ (One moment. One moment.)

09:41:15 _ Unintelligible.

09:41:56 _ Oh man.

09:44:18 _ (This does not work now.)

09:45:13 _ Turn it off.

09:45:16 _ (... Seven thousand ...)

09:45:19 _ (How about we let them in? We let the guys in now.)

09:45:23 _ (OK.)

09:45:24 _ (Should we let the guys in?)

09:45:25 _ (Inform them, and tell him to talk to the pilot. Bring the pilot back.)

09:45:57 _ (In the name of Allah. In the name of Allah. I bear witness that there is no other God, but Allah.)

09:47:31 _ Unintelligible.

09:47:40 _ (Allah knows.)

09:48:15 _ Unintelligible.

09:48:38 _ Set course.

09:49:37 _ Unintelligible.

09:51:17 _ Unintelligible.

09:51:35 _ Unintelligible.

09:52:02 _ Unintelligible.

09:52:31 _ Unintelligible.

09:53:20 _ (The best thing: The guys will go in, lift up the) ... Unintelligible ... (and they put the axe into it. So, everyone will be scared.)

09:53:27 _ (Yes.)

09:53:28 _ (The axe.)

09:53:28 _ Unintelligible.

09:53:29 _ (No, not the.)

09:53:35 _ (Let him look through the window. Let him look through the window.)

09:53:52 _ Unintelligible.

09:54:09 _ (Open.)

09:54:11 _ Unintelligible.

09:55:06 _ You are ... One ...

09:56:15 _ Unintelligible.

09:57:55 _ (Is there something?)

09:57:57 _ (A fight?)

09:54:59 _ (Yeah?)

09:58:33 _ Unintelligible. (Let's go guys. Allah is greatest. Allah is greatest. Oh guys. Allah is greatest.)

09:58:41 _ Ugh.

09:58:43 _ Ugh.

09:58:44 _ (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh the most gracious.)

09:58:47 _ Ugh. Ugh.

09:58:52 _ Stay back.

09:58:55 _ In the cockpit.

09:58:57 _ In the cockpit.

09:58:57 _ (They want to get in here. Hold, hold from the inside. Hold from the inside. Hold).

09:59:04 _ Hold the door.

09:59:09 _ Stop him.

09:59:11 _ Sit down.

09:59:13 _ Sit down.

09:59:15 _ Sit down.

09:58:16 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:17 _ (What?)

09:59:18 _ (There are some guys. All those guys.)

09:59:20 _ Lets get them.

09:59:25 _ Sit down.

09:59:29 _ (What?)

09:59:30 _ (What.)

09:59:31 _ (What?)

09:59:36 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:37 _ (What?)

09:59:39 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:41 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:42 _ (Trust in Allah, and in him.)

09:59:45 _ Sit down.

09:59:47 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:53 _ Ahh.

09:59:55 _ Unintelligible.

09:59:58 _ Ahh.

10:00:06 _ (There is nothing.)

10:00:07 _ (Is that it? Shall we finish it off?)

10:00:08 _ (No. Not yet.)

10:00:09 _ (When they all come, we finish it off.)

10:00:11 _ (There is nothing.)

10:00:13 _ Unintelligible.

10:00:14 _ Ahh.

10:00:15 _ I'm injured.

10:00:16 _ Unintelligible.

10:00:21 _ Ahh.

10:00:22 _ (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh Gracious.)

10:00:25 _ In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die.

10:00:29 _ (Up, down. Up, down, in the) cockpit.

10:00:33 _ (The) cockpit.

10:00:37 _ (Up, down. Saeed, up, down.)

10:00:42 _ Roll it.

10:00:55 _ Unintelligible.

10:00:59 _ (Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest.)

10:01:01 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:08 _ (Is that it? I mean, shall we pull it down?)

10:01:09 _ (Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.)

10:01:10 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:11 _ (Saeed.)

10:01:12 _ ... engine ...

10:01:13 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:16 _ (Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:18 _ (Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:34 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:37 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:41 _ (Up, down. Up, down.)

10:01:41 _ (What?)

10:01:42 _ (Up, down.)

10:01:42 _ Ahh.

10:01:53 _ Ahh.

10:01:54 _ Unintelligible.

10:01:55 _ Ahh.

10:01:59 _ Shut them off.

10:02:03 _ Shut them off.

10:02:14 _ Go.

10:02:14 _ Go.

10:02:15 _ Move.

10:02:16 _ Move.

10:02:17 _ Turn it up.

10:02:18 _ (Down, down.)

10:02:23 _ (Pull it down. Pull it down.)

10:02:25 _ Down. Push, push, push, push, push.

10:02:33 _ (Hey. Hey. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:35 _ (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:37 _ (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:40 _ Unintelligible.

10:03:02 _ (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:03 _ (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:04 _ (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:06 _ (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03;06 _ (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:07 _ No.

10:03:09 _ (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:09 _ (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

Not a whole lot of useful information here. A lot of repetition. Interesting, not much in the way of actual conversation about flying the plane! You would think a novice might have more trouble than what we hear! (granted, there are a lot of unintelligible things that might be flying conversation, but still...)

What does this mean? "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down." Put it in it??? In what? Are they talking about the plane or something else?

The actual tape would be much more useful, to hear the expressions and what voices were english versus hijacker.

If we assume this is a scam, presumably actors would be saying all these things. The actual tape could tell us how good the actors were...

The only other thing of interest is who the non-hijacker person in the cockpit is who pleads early on. A pilot or other crew member?

We still don't know what happened to the pilots!

Flight 93 Found!

At least some new fragments of it.

I'm very curious how the govt explained how 93 crashed to produce so little visible debris, and I wonder why they showed new pictures of debris that have never been seen before:

Of course, this is always the problem for 9/11 researchers: the govt has confiscated so much evidence and not shown much of anything, so now they literally can pull out anything and say it proves the official story-- and we are hard put to refute it.

What I will say is that the official flight 93 crash story still makes no sense.

The new pictures of debris could easily have come from some other spot where the plane crashed or the parts were planted, of course. Or maybe even flight 93 crashed where they say it did, and the media/govt has done a crappy job of explaining the crash/showing the evidence.

What I will also say is these few new pieces of debris are a still only a tiny fraction of what a huge Boeing 757 would produce.

What is amusing/interesting is comparing the new pictures of flight 93 debris to the sad little collection of parts that were shown in this article (scroll down for slideshow link). E.g.











Much like the other three plane crashes on 9/11, we have a few recognizable plane parts, no attempt at matching the exact parts to the plane that crashed, and nowhere near enough pieces of debris to account for the huge planes that crashed.

I will analyze the flight 93 cockpit transcript that was released here.

Very Early Article on Flight 93 with Picture Gallery of the Crash Site

FWIW.