Strangest "Plane Crash" Ever

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1) lack of major plane debris around crash crater 

2) one engine found one mile away, very unlikely for it to fly that far on impact

3) strange phone calls

4) discrepancies for time of crash (10:03 vs 10:06) 

5) evidence for a 2nd flight 93

6) plane debris found up to 8 miles away from official crash site

7) incomprehensible official story for how plane exploded upon impact but also completely burrowed into the ground and shredded at the same time

8) ACARS evidence showing flight 93 continued flying after crash

9) missing human remains (supposedly all official people accounted for but only tiny amounts of each body found)

10) geometry of official crater doesn't make sense for official story of inverted Boeing 757 crash 

11) pristine bandana shown as evidence, supposedly worn by one of the hijackers, supposedly survived burning crash.

12) plane tail and wingtips should have broken off in large pieces but are completely absent from the debris field

Ultimately none of the official story makes sense and we can only speculate what really happened with the public evidence presented. 

My best guess is that there was a second flight 93 and two crash sites. One flight involved a hijacking "drill" or exercise with the hijackers and a few passengers and the other flight was the regular commercial flight with the other passengers. How the crash crater in Shanksville was formed is hard to understand but certainly doesn't fit the official story of a Boeing 757 crash. I have tried very hard to make the official crash story make sense to me but I just can't. On the other hand, it's impossible to know exactly how it would have been faked. Absent new evidence, the public will never know the true story or be able to make sense of the crash site.

What really happened with Flight 93? Is the crash site really from US flight 93, a Boeing 757? A Systematic Analysis:

 Note-- I am not considering the "shoot down" hypothesis here because I don't think it fits in any way with the official crash crater. The shoot down idea doesn't help explain the crater, in my opinion, it makes it somewhat less likely, as a crippled plane would have less ability to dive at high speed into the ground and disappearing. Thus, here I am focusing on what made the crater. 

Note if the official crash crater site were faked, it is possible a "real" flight was shot down as part of the flight 93 plan, but this is a separate aspect of this flight and is not going to be considered here.

So, I am using a point scale to weigh the evidence, pros and cons for the crash site being different from the official story. 

Firmness of evidence on scale of 1-5, where 5 is most solid 

Reasons to think there was a conspiracy and the crash site is fake or different from the official story. 

 

1)        Operation Northwoods from the 1960s proposed a similar scenario of fake plane crash, false flag operation to incite a war-- 5

2)        Bush/Cheney administration famously secretive and dishonest, lied American into Iraq war-- 5

3)        Overall 9/11 scenario is highly suspect, some degree of coverup is clear—5

4)        Hijacking drills run by US military prior to and on the day of 9/11, made a hoax easier—4

5)        Official crash crater has major issues for being a legitimate 757 crash – 4

6)        weirdness some of with the phone calls, particularly Ed Felt, Todd Beamer—3

7)        official story makes for very good fighting back propaganda on a very terrible day—4

8)        Evidence for twin flight 93’s; ACARS data shows flight continuing; Cleveland airport flight 1989 mystery-- 3

 

 

Plausibility of reasons to believe the official story on scale of 1-5, where 5 is most plausible

 

Reasons to believe the official story

1)        hard to believe such a massive lie from the govt--3

2)        massive coverup would be hard to maintain-- 4

3)        flight 93 families would have to be badly fooled or in on it-- 4

4)        hard to imagine who would carry out this hoax—4

5)        very hard to imagine they could kill everyone elsewhere and plant human remains for everyone --3

 

 

Weighing the pros and cons of a hoax—sums of numerical weighting:

 

Pro-hoax= 33

No hoax= 18

 

Pretty clear the pro-hoax arguments win.

 

Various scenarios that could explain the evidence (and are not the official story):

 

1A) official crash site is total fake mock up of crash site with planted plane parts, some planted human remains, passengers and crew are totally faked personas, many actors involved in phone calls and families; human IDs at crash site are fudged-– hardest to believe, harder to run; explains evidence except a duplicate flight 93

 

1B) official crash site is total fake mock up of crash site with planted plane parts, some planted human remains, real passengers and crew killed elsewhere or taken away to live under new identity, human IDs at crash site are fudged-– plausible but harder to believe, harder to run; explains evidence except a duplicate flight 93

 

1C) official crash site is total fake mock up of crash site with planted plane parts, real passengers and crew killed elsewhere, planted human remains are from actual passengers and crew -– plausible but harder to believe, harder to carry out; explains evidence except a duplicate flight 93

 

 

2) official crash site is actual plane crash, but not a 757 or flight 93; it was a smaller plane or drone, real passengers and crew killed elsewhere, planted human remains – plausible but harder to believe, harder to run; explains evidence except a duplicate flight 93

 

3) official crash site is actual plane crash, but not a 757 or flight 93, it was a smaller plane carrying some official passengers on hijacking drill with real hijackers; other official passengers on actual flight 93 crashed elsewhere and crash covered up, some evidence planted in Shanksville—plausible, explains all evidence

 

4) official crash site is actual plane crash, but not a 757 or flight 93, it was a smaller plane with some official passengers on hijacking drill with real hijackers, other official passengers on actual flight 93 landed elsewhere and passengers and crew killed, body pieces taken and planted at official crash site —less plausible due to having to kill Americans in cold blood, otherwise explains evidence

 

 

Scenario	Crash site	2 planes involved with Hijacking drill	Passengers/crew fate	Extra plane crash
1A	No plane, total fake	No	Fake personas; all body IDs fudged	No
1B	No plane, total fake	No	Real people, killed elsewhere or moved elsewhere, body IDs fudged	No
1C	No plane, total fake	No	Real people, killed elsewhere, parts planted	No
2	Smaller plane, not 757	Maybe	All official passengers and crew killed in the crash	No
3	Smaller plane, not 757	Yes	Some official passengers are on the plane, rest killed in 2nd crash; these body parts planted	Yes
4	Smaller plane, not 757	Yes	Some official passengers are on the plane, rest killed in cold blood; these body parts planted	Yes

 

 

I tend to favor scenario 4 overall.

 

Sources:

http://flight93hoax.blogspot.com

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20110427045205/http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20110428054114/http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/06/shanksville-crater-oddity.html

 

https://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2023/08/revisiting-weird-ed-felt-phone-call-on.html

 

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2008/04/husband-of-flight-93-attendant-cell.html

 

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/10/todd-beamers-odd-phone-call-and-silent.html

 

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/02/many-misquotes-of-wallace-miller.html

 

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2007/02/cleveland-airport-mystery.html

 

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/09/united-airlines-tracked-different.html

 

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/09/who-was-male-in-flight-93s-co-pilot.html

https://www.911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/photos/index.html#shanksville

https://www.911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/flight93.html

The Flight 93 Crater Suggests The Plane Was Tilted As It Went In But This Doesn't Make Any More Sense Than Anything Else About The Flight 93 Crash Crater

 Pic 1

 

Pic 2

This is hard to explain, but I think the pictures above show the idea that, assuming a plane crashed there, the plane didn't strike such that both engines hit at the same time or levelly, but rather the plane was tilted to one side, so one engine hit first, maybe the western side first (to the right in the top pic and to the left in the lower pic). This is most clearly hinted at by the off-kilter tail print, such that it's not at a 90 degree angle to the wings but off at an angle (see Pic 2). But you can also see that the black smears where the "engines" hit, trail a bit off to the western side, not straight forward out of the crater. And of course the huge explosion into the forest is at a skewed angle from the wing marks, not straight forward out of the crater.

The official flight path however is 90 degree perpendicular angle to the wing imprints, so this doesn't really add up.

It's hard to show in a diagram-- but if the plane is tilted to one side as it hits, there's simply NO WAY it can make the impact imprint shown if there is a 90 degree perpendicular angle of the wings to the flight path. 

And in my mind, if the plane is really going 563 mph as it hits, it impacts in a fraction of a second. There's no way there's time for it to tilt once it impacts, not to mention the incredible momentum of the high speed object is just going to drive every part of the plane straight on the path it was going on once it impacts.

This yet one more oddity to the crash crater and it shows that either the official flight path is quite off or the whole thing was faked...

A Visit to the Flight 93 Memorial in Shanksville

I've long thought the official flight 93 crash scene was very very weird and likely a hoax. 

I finally got some time to go to the official US Flight 93 memorial and I was very curious if there was any new information about the crash there. In particular I was curious if they had any new major pieces of debris and any better modeling/re-creation of the crash than what I'd seen before.

 

First off, the overall area is very hilly and very pretty. 

The park is very nicely done, modern designs, with a main visitors center then a walkway out to a view of the crash site and a memorial wall with the names of the passengers and crew. The memorial wall is is line with the supposed flight path. They have a boulder marking the crash crater, you can see it from about 100 yards away. 

The area of burnt out trees from the crash not at all clear in 2024 at site. Hemlock trees there seem symbolic.

The crash site is supposed to be in an old coal mine, strip-mine that was later filled in with "soft dirt". Seems rather fortuitous that the plane crashed there and not on a hillside which is all over this area. I would be curious to know the details on who filled in the strip mine -- when and why. It would be a massive task to put that much dirt in and then not farm the land? Seems odd.

Anyway, the soft dirt is the explanation for how the plane wreck disappeared.

I heard the park ranger give a long talk on story of flight 93 and then she described the crash. Basically she gave the official story (of course), then to explain how the plane disappeared, described it as how if you threw a marble hard into soft sand, as at the beach, and the marble will disappear into the sand leaving a crater. Never mind that a solid marble is totally different from a fragile plane structure.

Said the plane increased to 563 mph before it crashed, upside down, at a 40 degree angle.

Said there was bedrock that stopped the plane 30 feet under ground and that's where it accordioned into the ground and disappeared. Supposedly this also broke up the plane and shattered it into millions of tiny pieces.

Says 5,000 gallons of plane fuel got "launched into the tree line", creating a fireball and burning the trees. No explanation for why the fuel went in that specific direction only.

The whole scenario is very dubious at best.

There is STILL, 23 years later, no accurate video modeling or re-creation of the crash that I've seen.

The visitors center has some plane debris evidence of the crash. There's a lot lot of little pieces like below, but of course these could be anything:

 

There are only a couple of larger pieces of debris that I hadn't seen before.

One is from a video they show of the FBI going over the crash site, this is the biggest piece they ever found:

Not clear why it is so clean-- completely stripped of any other parts, much like some of the other debris that's been shown previously.

There were some flight 93 specific debris, like tickets and personal effects.

The one bit of plane debris seemingly matched to flight 93 was this, but it's pretty sketchy:

Overall, I have to say, I still don't buy the official story, though I have no idea how they hoaxed it. it feels hoaxed.

I certainly wasn't moved by the memorial. I didn't get any aura of a great tragedy there. And the crash crater makes no damn sense.

I've gone over many different scenarios here and at the other site:

the official story, a hijacking drill with actors, two planes, crash at another location and this fake site, totally fake site, partial fake site-- none of these theories seem truly plausible.

One good thing in researching this post, I found Killtown's old site on flight 93 can be accessed via webarchive, although the blog has been deleted. 

This particular post was pretty good on the burnt trees aspect of the story.

Additional thoughts added 8/4:

1) what happened to the LANDING GEAR STRUTS? Those are big, heavy, very strong parts of the plane we never heard a peep about

2) the large vertical tail fin clearly broke off from the mark on the ground, yet there's only some teeny tiny fragment shown (above). Hard to believe large pieces weren't found if there was a plane crash there.

3) just a reminder that the crash crater is too small for a Boeing 757 and the wing marks don't line up properly. One plausible possibility is some smaller plane crashed at Shanksville that may have also been carrying the same passengers and crew (only 44 people, very low number for a 757), whereas the real flight 93 crashed elsewhere or landed elsewhere and a few 757 parts were strewn around the Shanksville site.

4) the forest site that had many trees burned and/or knocked down still doesn't make sense unless huge piece of the exploding wings flew there, but even then, not clear why they would go only in that direction.

Additional thoughts added 8/6:

1) interesting there is still a HUGE junkyard just a few miles down the road from the crash scene. I know this was still there on 9/11, as it was mentioned back then. It would be a perfect place to get a bunch of scrap metal to blow up in a hole.

2) as far as the exploding fuel going forward to produce the pattern shown in this pic:

One could imagine the wings hitting the ground and breaking up immediately and the fuel inside having some forward momentum-- at least it's not completely implausible.